Saturday, September 26, 2009

Old Men/Young Women, A Good Thing?

It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human
longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings
by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa

Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when
their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans,
according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in
biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number
of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural
selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is
finished reproducing.

"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s
provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of
reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a
whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these
people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a
spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of
both sexes."

"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan,"
was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science
ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies
at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of
anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand
why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.

Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"—surviving beyond
the reproductive years—has been a center of scientific controversy for
more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why
should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around
afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time,
harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population
and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction
ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent
early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of
people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women.
Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75
to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly,
following female menopause.

Grandmother hypothesis

In 1966, William Hamilton, a British evolutionary biologist, worked
out the mathematics describing the "wall of death." Since then, the
most popular explanation for why humans don't die by age 55 has been
termed the "grandmother hypothesis," which suggests that women enhance
the survival of their children and grandchildren by living long enough
to care for them and "increasing the success of their genes," Puleston
said. However, Hamilton's work has been difficult to express as a
mathematical and genetic argument explaining why people live into old

Unlike previous research on human reproduction, this study—for the
first time—includes data on males, a tweak that allowed the
researchers to begin answering the "wall of death" question by
matching it to human mortality patterns. According to Puleston,
earlier studies looked only at women, because scientists can reproduce
good datasets for humans entirely based on information related to
female fertility and survival rates.

"Men's fertility is contingent on women's fertility—you have to figure
out how they match up. We care about reproduction because that is a
currency by which force of selection is counted. If we have not
accounted for the entire pattern of reproduction, we may be missing
something that's important to evolution."

Men and longevity

In the paper, the researchers analyzed "a general two-sex model to
show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce." The
scientists presented a "range of data showing that males much older
than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with
younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early
humans." As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to
select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the
age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the "wall of death."

"Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to
breach Hamilton's wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in
mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on
'grandmother' effects or economic optimality," the researchers say in
the paper.

The scientists compiled longevity and fertility data from two
hunter-gatherer groups, the Dobe !Kung of the Kalahari and the Ache of
Paraguay, one of the most isolated populations in the world. They also
looked at the forager-farmer Yanomamo of Brazil and Venezuela, and the
Tsimane, an indigenous group in Bolivia. "They're living a lifestyle
that our ancestors lived and their fertility patterns are probably
most consistent with our ancestors," Puleston said about the four
groups. The study also looked at several farming villages in Gambia
and, for comparison, a group of modern Canadians.

In the less developed, traditional societies, males were as much as
5-to-15 years older than their female partners. In the United States
and Europe, the age spread was about two years. "It's a universal
pattern that in typical marriages men are older than women," Puleston
said. "The age gaps vary by culture, but in every group we looked at
men start [being reproductive] later. At the end of reproduction, male
fertility rates taper off gradually, as opposed to the fairly sharp
decline in female fertility by menopause." Despite small differences
based on marriage traditions, all women and most men in the six groups
stopped having children by their 50s, the researchers found. But some
men, particularly high-status males, continued to reproduce into their
70s. The paper noted that the age gap is most pronounced in societies
that favor polygyny, where a man takes several wives, and in
gerontocracies, where older men monopolize access to reproductive
women. The authors also cite genetic and anthropological evidence that
early humans were probably polygynous as well.

Older male fertility also exists in societies supporting serial
monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women. "For
these reasons, we argue that realized male fertility was substantial
at ages well past female menopause for much of human history and the
result is reflected in the mortality patterns of modern populations,"
the authors say. "We conclude that deleterious mutations acting after
the age of female menopause are selected against … solely as a result
of the matings between older males and younger females."

According to Puleston, the "grandmother hypothesis" may be true, but
the real pattern of male fertility extends beyond this explanation.
"The key question is: Does the population have a greater growth rate
if men are reproducing at a later age? The answer is 'yes.' The age of
last reproduction gets pushed into the 60s and 70s if you add men to
the analysis. Hamilton's approach was right, but in a species where
males and females have different reproductive patterns, you need a
two-sex model. You can't correctly estimate the force of selection if
you leave men out of the picture. As a man myself, it's gratifying to
know that men do matter."

Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.


  1. "In this depraved age MEN are the ones committed to
    the institution of marriage."

    Are men REALLY COMMITTED to the institution of marriage? Let's see.

    "Trying to blame a man for picking a younger, more attractive woman is
    just as inane as expecting a woman to pick the bum on the street
    instead of the guy who has his life together. Biology matters."

    "Men mature later, and they decline later, hardly surprising then that
    they look for younger mates."

    So, how committed are they?

  2. Women are expected to do most of the house chores,
    if not all. Plus, they are expected to look after the children on
    their own. And some women also work part-time or full-time. Their
    domestic responsibilities are often very time-consuming. On average,
    men work 38-40 hours a week, while women work 60 hours a week or more.

    There is no equality in the domestic division of labour. And these are
    the factors that led to the increased divorce rate.

    "In 2004, 71% of petitions were initiated by women, compared with 32% by men."
    Is it surprising that there is an increased prevalence of divorce in
    western societies?

  3. Seems like a bunch of crap trying to pass as
    science!... A very odd theory, to say the least, as it still does not
    explain why menopausic childless women's lifespan is still bigger than
    men's, or why old men, who no longer expect to pass their genes on,
    still continue to live until a ripe old age, for instance.

    All because older men feel threatned by the fact that women are not as
    dumb today as they seemed to be during the "dark ages" and are pairing
    up with younger men these days instead, I suspect... As a young,
    attractive, straight, highly solicited female myself, I must tell old
    guys something I'm sure they already know from their miserable life
    experience... The plain truth is younger women who are financially
    secure and psychologically stable simply aren't attracted to you. This
    too ought to be accepted as a natural aspect of evolved behavior,
    although I also suspect the MEN who co-authored the so-called study
    won't feel inclined to dig into the subject.

    Older, ugly, fat, worn out men (to quote some of you, who have so
    charmingly posted their views, or lack thereof) have nothing to offer
    younger women, sexually speaking, unlike older women as far as younger
    men go. Nor can they still help "make" babies in most cases, because
    of age-related poor semen quality, let alone "pass on" good genes (or
    any genes for what's worth), which, by the way, reminds me of the joke
    of the old hunter and his neighbour... It's OK. I won't tell it
    here... Suffice it to say, if it wasn't your gun that shot the lion,
    it must have been your neighbour's. Older guys experience a similar
    reproductive aging process as their "counterparts", the older gals,
    with actual similar symptoms, which is called andropause, something
    people don't usually discuss much. Besides, they're generally not able
    to offer women other valuable assets, like emotional or psychological
    stability, empathy, support, care, love and the like, also due to
    andropause and, of course, the fact that the male brain hemispheres
    are not as well connected as the female's... Who believes a douchebag,
    who is empathetic and sensitive enough to say women his own age are
    "ugly" and "something all worn-out", is actually capable of being
    empathetic to younger women?!... I doubt he's ever been successful
    with any woman at all, whether older or younger.

    I personally find older men repulsive. They generally age much worse
    and more rapidly than women and aren't as good-looking, no matter how
    much weight they decide to lose or how many procedures they choose to
    undergo. Now, that's a biological, conspicuous fact!

    As the author of the article above pointed out at the end, men feel
    "left out" this day and age. (Especially if they're old, if I may so
    add...) Gee, I wonder why!

  4. Im in love with a man who is almost 30years older
    than me. Im 35 years old,attractive, almost financialy stable, more
    mentality stable than most in our current society and a single mum.
    For reasons which I wish not to disclose our relationship which is a
    meaningful and beautiful friendship, may possibly never eventuate to
    marriage and children. If it were possible I would have marriage and
    babies with him tomorrow.
    I don't understand your comments down below. It seems that there is
    alot of jealousy with older women.
    This has been a recent revelation to me, wanting to be with a much
    older man. And I wish I had it earlier, I would rather be wih an older
    man who may have a low libido, health problems, wisdom, knowledge,
    stability, to be spiritualy and mentality intact than a man my age.
    Overall an older man is more comfortable in his own skin and fully
    I'm dissapointed to see that society frowns upon it, because it means
    I will be given a hard time as I have already made up my mind, my
    future mate is going to be seriously old I'll make sure of it.

  5. "As a young, attractive, straight, highly solicited
    female myself..... financially secure and psychologically stable"

    The truth is that a woman who possesses all of those traits will not
    mention these to anyone. These traits will only be mentioned if
    someone is trying to describe someone else.

    Sounds like a dissatisfied older woman trying to pass herself off as
    someone else.
    What a bitch! Get a life!

  6. "As a young, attractive, straight, highly solicited
    female myself....... "

    Wow! It must be great being YOU. Are you for real? Because you're the
    kind of woman men will do anything for.

    "The plain truth is younger women who are financially secure and
    psychologically stable simply aren't attracted to you."

    A woman who claims to be psychologically stable and highly solicitous
    must spend a lot of time each day developing herself? Because one
    cannot acquire such skills without hard work. The results we get in
    life is the effort we put in.

    Young and financially secure? Are you really or just pretending to be
    or perhaps you only like the idea of being financially secure?

    So, as a highly solicitous person like yourself, it will not be
    difficult to answer these simple questions, will it? If you don't,
    then it means that everything you've claimed to be was a lie.

  7. well said, the problem with our society is we are
    too busy looking through our eyes rather than the hearts of men and
    women. An older man who has it togeather is far better than a young
    bum across the street.

  8. "I personally find older men repulsive. They
    generally age much worse and more rapidly than women and aren't as
    good-looking, no matter how much weight they decide to lose or how
    many procedures they choose to undergo. Now, that's a biological,
    conspicuous fact!"

    This part made me laugh the most, because we all know that its men
    that age better than women..

    you sound so bitter, angry and superficial. such a shame.

    I'm 35 and I've been with women born between 1958 and 1991. I don't
    see anything wrong with it. If someone makes you happy, they make you
    happy, regardless of age. period.

    I always thought the reason so many women end up jaded by 30 was due
    to when they were younger, guys their own age just used and abused
    them, so they end up hating all men. I would think an older guy would
    treat a younger woman with more respect and dignity since we mature a
    lot slower than women and it takes us a while to get out of that
    young/arrogant/brazen phase. But that's just me, I cant speak for all
    men. But at the same time, I wont pass my opinions off as fact like
    this female has attempted and failed at miserably.

    Beauty and youth fade darling and it looks like you're in for a rude
    awakening. lmao

  9. I'm a 48 yr old divorced male. I had until recently,
    never dated a woman more than a couple years younger than me. I
    recently met a charming, witty and very mature much younger woman.
    It's not about ego and I've never been the kind of guy that goes out
    to try to pick up women, younger or older. But I have found somewhat
    of a kindred spirit. Who cares how old she is? Age matters for wines
    and cheeses. So stop whining. Perhaps those of you who are might
    realize that your attitude is the reason that I seem "old" to you.

  10. Talk about the old man's denial syndrome here. I
    can't believe what I am reading. Earth calling old men....we do not
    want you nor do we think you are attractive and we are laughing when
    you marry that younger girl who just wants that fat settlement she
    will get a few years later. Sorry to say that other dude has it
    right....she will also have a bf on the side and you won't feel good
    when you come home and find his d*ck in her mouth LMAO. Anyway I am 22
    so probably too old for most of you guys. You just want lil girls so
    they dont know how small your noodle is :))))))))))))) You are so NOT
    in touch with reality so go back to your old home and stop acting like
    you can still get it up on your own.

  11. Survival of the species, making babys, is the core
    of man&woman relations. For healthy normal men, the vagina is the most
    beautiful thing God ever made. and a good looking super healthy mature
    man, does very well , anywhere. even a poor one. yours truly had the
    best three years of my life with a gorgeous just turned sixteen year
    old,(i was forty-eight,at the time) till her jealous hypocrite cougar
    excuse for a mother broke us up. but i'm over it, there's a million of
    em to take her place.Thinking young ladys will always be attracted to
    a kinder matured man, especially so when our sexual skills are finely
    honed. all you jealous types can kma, we really have a good laugh over
    your nashing of teeth. Grind on! LOLLOLLOL!!!

  12. Myself being a 53 year old woman - I have to say I
    never have trouble getting dates - I work out at the gym - and I am
    told I look much younger than my age - exercise keeps your skin
    looking younger - I have a nice hairstyle and I am continually
    complimented on my figure - and I do get attention from younger men
    also - I myself had a 10 year relationship with a man 11 years younger
    than me - we had a great time - and I also dated a man older than
    myself when I was in my 30's - so it's just a number - so for the man
    that says women are "ugly" after menopause - not all women - and just
    so you over 50 guys know - we're not loving your receding hairlines
    and potbellys and lack of sexual stamina - but you do the best you can.

  13. The argument that this piece wishes to defend is a
    sore misinterpretation of the scientific article produced by
    Tuljapurkar, Puleston and Gurven (2007). The authors present a model
    explaining human senescene taking into consideration both genders, and
    that, from an evolutionary perspective. While the title is quite eye
    catching, and meant to attract readers' curiosity, it does not mean
    that the authors endorse 60 years old ditching their partner in order
    to chase much younger women and reproduce with them.

    It would be interesting to note that the scientists used 6 sample
    groups to compare men and women, but that, out of these, only one came
    from a modern country where birth control, be it condoms or the pill,
    is readily available. The 5 other samples came from samples in
    countries where such means are harder to find, such as the Ache, a
    hunter-gatherer society in Paraguay, the Tsimane, an indigenous
    forager-farming group in Bolivia and a group of vilages in Gambia.
    Having children is a risk for women, and can lead to death. If one
    considers that most females will stay with their partner until they
    die, as in a lot cultures it is not into a woman's interest to
    "divorce", it would make sense for these older men to have been in a
    position to find a much younger female, instead of a female his own
    age. Moreover, since human death is much higher in countries where
    medical aid is less accessible, it is no wonder that men were
    encouraged to procreate, to favour a bigger social group, that is,
    ensure enough people to work, to defend the social group and to ensure
    its continuity.

  14. In this line of thought, the authors provide in their original article
    a graph showing that men's reproductive ability declines quicker in
    France than in Pakistan, which is also higher than Cameroun.
    Furthermore, a graph shows that in Canada, males and females
    reproductive cycles follow each others more closely than in the other
    samples. This suggests that samples from modern countries are not as
    bound by this evolutionary perspective as countries still with limited
    access to medical care and with higher death rates. This brings me to
    my next point.

    That being said, these scientists' samples are far from representative
    from today's world. Indeed, comparing France, Canada and Pakistan,
    along with samples from Paraguay, Gambia, Bostwana, etc is not telling
    of were we are at now. Studying populations having a lifestyle closer
    to our previous one can provide important information from an
    evolutionary perspective, but does not provide information on where
    this evolution has lead us to NOW. This piece also point this out:
    "They're living a lifestyle that our ancestors lived and their
    fertility patterns are probably most consistent with our ancestors.
    Puleston said about the four groups".

    Thus, their conclusion, while logical, needs to be based on a wider
    sample more representative of today's humans. I will not argue that
    this may have applied itself for earlier societies, and can be applied
    for population living in harsher conditions, but we do not all live
    like we did then. What we gained or used as a mean for survival then
    could very well not hold true anymore today. For example, we still
    have an appendice, but have very little use for it anymore, as we do
    not eat grass. Another example; some people's ears wiggle when they
    are startled. This had value before, but no value whatsoever nowadays.

  15. As such, it is possible that this mecanism, with men reproducing with
    younger woman, had an evolutionary value, but none at this day and
    age, and in the conditions a lot of countries are in. Countries where
    it is easier to live might not be defined by this model because their
    population do not need this to ensure their survival.

    I would also like to add that we do not need to reproduce for the good
    of the planet. There is no such need now. We are six billions people,
    a huge increase since the 1950's, one that has many questionning the
    future of our planet faced with our growing needs.

    To end, Tuljapurkar and al (2007), based on Rogers (1994), wrote
    "Unlike the reproduction of clonal organisms, human mating patterns
    depend on the age and sex structure of populations and on culturally
    defined rules of pairing. "

    The age and sex structure of the population is ever changing in this
    day and age, and the cultural rules of pairing are the not the same
    everywhere. This article had for goal to try to create a bi-gender
    model of human senescence, but not to serve as an argument for those
    who would wish to use it for their own gain. Western society allows
    for people to love and live as they want. ( as long as it's within the
    law, of course).

    If a younger female and an older man love each other, good for them.

    If a younger man loves an older female, also good.

    But we are all responsible adults. If two people are together, it's by
    choice, not because "older men chasing younger women contributes to
    human longevity and the survival of the species", not in western


  16. The women's comments, with a
    few exceptions, are scathing of men and are delivered at the visceral
    level. There is little logic present and way too much anger, but
    that's just the way women are. Any articles, any science, that
    purports to show the limitations of their biology and their
    desirability will provoke outrage. I have learned that there is simply
    no point in trying to argue with this venting. Whatever is wrong with
    women's lives ,it is men's fault. I accept that about women.

    But there is something that is missed in most of the implications of
    this science and that is culture, not biology, culture. Most of the
    angry women, if not all, are from feminized cultures in the West where
    they have been told for more than a generation that they are equal to
    men in all respects, even at the biological level. Here is a contrast.

    I have lived for nealry 11 years in South East Asia where the cultures
    are not femininzed. It is not because of lack of education or low IQ
    rates; it is because of culture. I know you want to accuse these
    cultures as being simply male dominated for the pleasure of men, but
    the culture I was referring to is the female culture. Women have never
    compromised themselves as women. They are feminine, they know they are
    fertile, they know that fertility has an end to it and the absolute
    majority want to be mothers. The glass ceiling is an irrelevant
    concept for them. They expect men to be the enablers of their and
    their children's lives. They seek good men to take care of them and
    their children and the men seek beauty. There are often great age
    differences between men and women and the concept of mistresses
    exists. Western women may see this as degrading, but that is a view
    from far away by people who may have more money but they are not more
    civilized on account of it.

  17. But let's be clear. These are real women, not passive sexual slaves.
    They demand fidelity in a marriage, and if there is any sexual
    indiscretion, it had better not be made public or stuck in the woman's
    face. But every woman knows men's nature and as the years go by they
    have to look the other way. It is the culture, not a Christian,
    montized culture, but it is a culture, a way of living and
    accommodating the sexes. Both sexes are a lot happier than the ones in
    the West.

    Western women's great tragedy under Feminism is that there have been
    unintended consequences for the socity they have created for
    themselves. Remember Feminism changed both men's and women's lives,
    but men did not participate in the changes. Women can get as angry as
    they want about this, blame men for it, but their fertility rate is
    falling, their marriage rate is falling, their divorce rate is rising.
    Men have other options than to put up with self centered, demanding
    women. And there is absolutley nothing in the natural law that
    prevents older men from sleeping with younger women.

    I do not feel triumphal about how great my personal life has been
    after getting away from Western women. Every man who lives where I
    live agrees that if we could have this back home we would never come.
    But Western women, unfortunately, have had there head stuck up a dark
    passage for some thirty years now and they are not in the least
    interested in men's happiness or contentment or fulfillment of their
    sexual nature. As the time worn phrase says, 'you made your bed, now
    lie in it.'

    Western women created the atmosphere they now breathe and only they
    can change it.

  18. I can't believe that everyone has entirely missed
    the point. Younger women are younger - they look. feel and think
    differently. I am an attractive and smart woman now at 33 but I would
    give anything to be 25 again. My face and body were amazing and I
    could rebound with flawless energy and the flip of a hat. Now I am
    tired and hurt and heart broken and sad and lonely and feel like NO
    guy will ever want to marry me. Everything shows in my face and I am
    scared shi&less when I am so easily passed over for a ripe juicy 22
    year old with no worries and full of tits - know what I mean. I stand
    no chance and I am too exhausted by guys to try. They love you one
    minute and the next they talk to you like you are a stranger - I don't
    get angry or frustrated I just feel like I expect it now and don't
    even want to bother...,.


  19. I cannot believe some of the spelling, grammar and
    idiotic statements made by some of the posters in these comments -
    they make me feel super human and I am just a normal bloke trying to
    get by in life... but let us look at the facts.

    1. Statistically a man can reproduce over a longer period of time than a woman.
    2. A woman is more likely to fall pregnant with a healthy child before
    the age of 30-40.
    3. A mans age does not appear to affects a childs health at birth.
    4. Women tend to want security in order to settle down with a partner.
    5. Men tend to want a fit healthy mother for their children.
    6. Men on average live longer than women even in third world countries.
    7. Nature not Nurture has more of an effect on our lives and length of life.
    8. More boys survive childbirth however more boys die before the age
    of 20 than girls.

    So when you look at the BASIC facts of life it actually makes more
    sense for a younger woman to be attracted to an older man and visa
    versa and maybe nature intended it this way to ensure young fit women
    give birth to healthy children to help the survival of the race and
    this would have been true in history as the death rate was so high in
    childbirth and before the age of puberty. It used to be that as soon
    as a girl could concieve she would be partnered off to an older man
    for a dowry in order for the family to produce more children and it
    was not until the death rate dropped and we created a 'civilised'
    society that this was gradually replaced with laws on the age of
    consent, marriage etc... however, that does NOT stop nature
    interfering with the law.

    Now, over the years (I am 47) at various times in my life, I have
    dated both girls younger than me and older than me, I have no
    preference either way, it is the looks and the personality that I find
    attractive rather than the age and girls, let's face it, if given the
    choice, would you marry someone your own age for 'love' who was
    penniless or an older man that could provide you love and security? An
    interesting fact on this point is that marriages where one partner is
    significantly older than the other (either way) actually last longer
    than those of people getting married to people in their own 'peer'

    Also, why is it that an older woman with a younger man is a 'wise
    woman', but an older man with a younger woman is a 'dirty old man' or
    a 'pervert'? And to finish off, I will give you a true story.

  20. Whilst on holiday a few years ago when I was 39, I met a couple in
    their late teens who seemed very happy together, however on returning
    home, the girl made it quite clear she was more interested in me than
    her partner and dumped him. No, I was extremely flattered and became
    good friends with her but initially was not thinking about a
    'relationship' due to the hefty age gap until I met her father, who
    said to me, " Why have you not asked her out? She is madly in love
    with you and never stops talking about you and to be honest I would
    rather she dates someone that I know will look after her than some
    spotty kid that just wants to get his leg over in the back of the
    car!" So I did ask her out and three years after she finished her
    education and training to be a Radiologist we married and I am now the
    proud father of twin girls whom I would die for... I later found out
    that her aunt was 20 years younger than her husband with a 28 year
    marriage and 3 children in their teens...

    So never dismiss anything or anybody - as long as you are happy
    together, age does NOT matter. Her Father thinks I am the 'dogs'
    because I gave him his first grandchildren, her mother thinks that it
    is the relationship with me that made her daughter finish her training
    as she was not distracted elsewhere and her grandparents thinks that
    our relationship was meant to be as she was old enough to KNOW what
    SHE wanted.....

  21. Boy meets Girl falls in love, they get married.

    Girls wants house - boy leave college gets job
    Girl gets pregnant - boy now gets second job
    Girls wants bigger house and new car - boy now works overtime at both jobs

    Girl complains boy never pays her any attention, he is never home, he
    always forgets his childs birthday/school play/etc....Girl gets
    attention from young fit man that will fuck anything not moving (its
    the genes)....


    Sound familiar - because its MORE likely for a woman to cheat on her
    man than it is for a man to cheat on his woman and this has been held
    up in courts time and time again...

    Most women file for divorce because their stupid partner thinks they
    can get back with them (this is where men are really stupid) and so
    the women files for divorce as she wants to marry her 'new' partner
    and start the process all over again.

    This is the real reason they are called House Keepers LOL!!!!!

  22. By the world's standards I am a successful career
    woman. I am healthy, 25 years old and the director of a thriving
    non-profit after having received my M.S. I don't have a scarred
    childhood and had a wonderful relationship with my father. To this day
    I consider him a friend.

    That being said, I am deeply attracted to older men. I have been for a
    long time and I appreciate their perspectives, experience, and their
    often deferential treatment of me. I currently have a crush on a man
    32 years my senior... and there is nothing unordinary about that.
    While I realize some typical desires for women my age would be
    sacrificed for a relationship with an older man, I can't help but
    think it may be a worthwhile exchange.

  23. I am 24 year old female and I have seen
    many men and women who have more energy and look better (and even look
    YOUNGER in some cases) than most 20-somethings in this day and age.

    reply.When a man loves a woman
    September 18, 2009 by Anonymous, 1 week 1 day ago
    Comment id: 44833 When a man loves a woman
    Can't keep his mind on nothing else
    He'll trade the world
    For the good thing he's found
    If she's bad he can't see it
    She can do no wrong
    Turn his back on his best friend
    If he put her down

    When a man loves a woman
    Spend his very last dime
    Tryin' to hold on to what he needs
    He'd give up all his comfort
    Sleep out in the rain
    If she said that's the way it ought to be

    Well, this man loves a woman
    I gave you everything I had
    Tryin' to hold on to your precious love
    Baby, please don't treat me bad

    When a man loves a woman
    Down deep in his soul
    She can bring him such misery
    If she plays him for a fool
    He's the last one to know
    Lovin' eyes can't ever see

    When a man loves a woman
    He can do no wrong
    He can never own some other girl
    Yes when a man loves a woman
    I know exactly how he feels
    'Cause baby, baby, baby, you're my world

    When a man loves a woman.....

  24. While ignorance and prejudice are nothing new in
    North America, there seems to be a rather recent trend of young women
    using the Internet to broadcast their venomous, hateful, spiteful, and
    bigoted views about older men's taste for younger women. I propose
    that many of these women are pretentious, insecure, and above all
    self-centered. They feel they're hot sh*t, and when stared at by fat
    ugly old men (who indeed DO exist, just like fat ugly young girls),
    they feel demeaned and cheapened, In their minds, they are so precious
    that the only ones who should be seduced by them are the knights in
    shining armors. Often, this narrow-minded outlook is suddenly and
    magically broadened when the fat old man is also endowed with a fat
    bank account.

    Fortunately, there also exist educated, tolerant, and open-minded
    young women, just like there are good-looking, thin, and sexually
    powerful older men. These two kinds may appreciate each other or not,
    but in any case they act gracefully and show respect to each other.
    There are no rules and no standards as far as attraction and/or love
    are concerned. The conceited, bigoted nasty little nags deserve the
    fat ugly old farts they attract.